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without the mind�察�but there is nothing perceived by sense which
is not perceived immediately�此�therefore there is nothing sensible
that exists without the mind。 The Matter�察�therefore�察�which you
still insist on is something intelligible�察�I suppose�察�something
that may be discovered by reason�察�and not by sense。
。 You are in the right。 ��216��
。 Pray let me know what reasoning your belief of
Matter is grounded on�察�and what this Matter is�察�in your present
sense of it。
。 I find myself affected with various ideas�察�whereof I
know I am not the cause�察�neither are they the cause of
themselves�察�or of one another�察�or capable of subsisting by
themselves�察�as being altogether inactive�察�fleeting�察�dependent
beings。 They have therefore cause distinct from me and
them�此�of which I pretend to know no more than that it is 。 And this thing�察�whatever it be�察�I call
Matter。
。 Tell me�察�Hylas�察�hath every one a liberty to change
the current proper signification attached to a common name in any
language�拭�For example�察�suppose a traveller should tell you that
in a certain country men pass unhurt through the fire�察�and�察�upon
explaining himself�察�you found he meant by the word fire that
which others call 。 Or�察�if he should assert that there are
trees that walk upon two legs�察�meaning men by the term 。
Would you think this reasonable��
。 No�察�I should think it very absurd。 Common custom is
the standard of propriety in language。 And for any man to affect
speaking improperly is to pervert the use of speech�察�and can
never serve to a better purpose than to protract and multiply
disputes�察�where there is no difference in opinion。
。 And doth not �察�in the common current
acceptation of the word�察�signify an extended�察�solid�察�moveable��
unthinking�察�inactive Substance��
。 It doth。
。 And�察�hath it not been made evident that no
substance can possibly exist�拭�And�察�though it should be allowed to
exist�察�yet how can that which is be a �察�or that
which is be a �拭�You may�察�indeed��
if you please�察�annex to the word a contrary meaning to
what is vulgarly received�察�and tell me you understand by it�察�an
unextended�察�thinking�察�active being�察�which is the cause of our
ideas。 But what else is this than to play with words�察�and run
into that very fault you just now condemned with so much reason��
I do by no means find fault with your reasoning�察�in that you
collect a cause from the �此 �I deny that
cause deducible by reason can properly be termed Matter。
。 There is indeed something in what you say。 But I am
��217�� afraid you do not thoroughly comprehend my meaning。 I would
by no means be thought to deny that God�察�or an infinite Spirit��
is the Supreme Cause of all things。 All I contend for is�察�that��
subordinate to the Supreme Agent�察�there is a cause of a limited
and inferior nature�察�which in the production of our
ideas�察�not by any act of will�察�or spiritual efficiency�察�but by
that kind of action which belongs to Matter�察�viz。 。
。 I find you are at every turn relapsing into your old
exploded conceit�察�of a moveable�察�and consequently an extended��
substance�察�existing without the mind。 What� �Have you already
forgotten you were convinced�察�or are you willing I should repeat
what has been said on that head�拭�In truth this is not fair
dealing in you�察�still to suppose the being of that which you have
so often acknowledged to have no being。 But�察�not to insist
farther on what has been so largely handled�察�I ask whether all
your ideas are not perfectly passive and inert�察�including nothing
of action in them。
。 They are。
。 And are sensible qualities anything else but ideas��
。 How often have I acknowledged that they are not。
。 But is not a sensible quality��
。 It is。
。 Consequently it is no action��
。 I agree with you。 And indeed it is very plain that
when I stir my finger�察�it remains passive�察�but my will which
produced the motion is active。
。 Now�察�I desire to know�察�in the first place�察�whether��
motion being allowed to be no action�察�you can conceive any action
besides volition�此�and�察�in the second place�察�whether to say
something and conceive nothing be not to talk nonsense�此�and��
lastly�察�whether�察�having considered the premises�察�you do not
perceive that to suppose any efficient or active Cause of our
ideas�察�other than �察�is highly absurd and unreasonable��
。 I give up the point entirely。 But�察�though Matter may
not be a cause�察�yet what hinders its being an ��
subservient to the supreme Agent in the production of our ideas��
。 An instrument say you�察�pray what may be the figure��
springs�察�wheels�察�and motions�察�of that instrument��
。 Those I pretend to determine nothing of�察�both the
substance and its qualities being entirely unknown to me。
。 What�拭�You are then of opinion it is made up of ��218��
unknown parts�察�that it hath unknown motions�察�and an unknown
shape��
。 I do not believe that it hath any figure or motion at
all�察�being already convinced�察�that no sensible qualities can
exist in an unperceiving substance。
。 But what notion is it possible to frame of an
instrument void of all sensible qualities�察�even extension itself��
。 I do not pretend to have any notion of it。
。 And what reason have you to think this unknown�察�this
inconceivable Somewhat doth exist�拭�Is it that you imagine God
cannot act as well without it�察�or that you find by experience the
use of some such thing�察�when you form ideas in your own mind��
。 You are always teasing me for reasons of my belief。
Pray what reasons have you not to believe it��
。 It is to me a sufficient reason not to believe the
existence of anything�察�if I see no reason for believing it。 But��
not to insist on reasons for believing�察�you will not so much as
let me know you would have me believe�察�since you say
you have no manner of notion of it。 After all�察�let me entreat you
to consider whether it be like a philosopher�察�or even like a man
of common sense�察�to pretend to believe you know not what ' and
you know not why。
。 Hold�察�Philonous。 When I tell you Matter is an
�察�I do not mean altogether nothing。 It is true I know
not the particular kind of instrument�察�but�察�however�察�I have some
notion of �察�which I apply to it。
。 But what if it should prove that there is something��
even in the most general notion of �察�as taken in a
distinct sense from �察�which makes the use of it
inconsistent with the Divine attributes��
。 Make that appear and I shall give up the point。
。 What mean you by the general nature or notion of
��
。 That which is common to all particular instruments
composeth the general notion。
。 Is it not common to all instruments�察�that they are
applied to the doing those things only which cannot be performed
by the mere act of our wills�拭�Thus�察�for instance�察�I never use an
instrument to move my finger�察�because it is done by a volition。
But I should use one if I were to remove part of a rock�察�or tear
up a tree by the roots。 Are you of the same mind�拭。�219�� Or�察�can
you shew any example where an instrument is made use of in
producing an effect depending on the will of the
agent��
。 I own I cannot。
。 How therefore can you suppose that an All´perfect
Spirit�察�on whose Will all things have an absolute and immediate
dependence�察�should need an instrument in his operations�察�or�察�not
needing it�察�make use of it�拭�Thus it seems to me that you are
obliged to own the use of a lifeless inactive instrument to be
incompatible with the infinite perfection of God�察�that is�察�by
your own confession�察�to give up the point。
。 It doth not readily occur what I can answer you。
。 But�察�methinks you should be ready to own the truth��
when it has been fairly proved to you。 We indeed�察�who are beings
of finite powers�察�are forced to make use of instruments。 And the
use of an instrument sheweth the agent to be limited by rules of
another's prescription�察�and that he cannot obtain his end but in
such a way�察�and by such conditions。 Whence it seems a clear
consequence�察�that the supreme unlimited agent useth no tool or
instrument at all。 The will of an Omnipotent Spirit is no sooner
exerted than executed�察�without the application of means�察�which��
if they are employed by inferior agents�察�it is not upon account
of any real efficacy that is in them�察�or necessary aptitude to
produce any effect�察�but merely in compliance with the laws of
nature�察�or those conditions prescribed to them by the First
Cause�察�who is Himself above all limitation or prescription
whatsoever。
。 I will no longer maintain that Matter is an
instrument。 However�察�I would not be understood to give up its
existence neither�察�since�察�notwithstanding what hath been said�察�it
may still be an 。
。 How many shapes is your Matter to take�拭�Or�察�how
often must it be proved not to exist�察�before you are content to
part with it�拭�But�察�to say no more of this ��though by all the laws
of disputation I may justly blame you for so frequently changing
the signification of the principal term�� I would fain know
what you mean by affirming that matter is an occasion�察�having
already denied it to be a cause。 And�察�when you have shewn in what
sense you understand �察�pray�察�in the next place�察�be
pleased to shew me what reason induceth you to believe there is
such an occasion of our ideas��
。 As to the first point�此�by I mean an
inactive ��220�� unthinking being�察�at the presence whereof God
excites ideas in our minds。
。 And what may be the nature of that inactive
unthinking being��
。 I know nothing of its nature。
。 Proceed then to the second point�察�and assign
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